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j_rrod74 03-31-2011 03:37 AM

tranny acts like its in neutral in all gears
 
SO where to begin ..... o yes bought a new 4.3l long block (after serious overheats by wife) changed everything over installed new motor got it started AND running fine. Did a final check on all fluids (and they were all good oil tranny power steering cooling even brake fluid) put the hood on then skid plate mind you the blazer was running this whole time got ready to take the test drive got in put on seat belt adjusted mirrors put it in reverse and WTF!!!!! no reverse no forward it acts as tough it is in neutral in all gears in fact with it running and in a gear. You can push it as if it was in neutral no resistance what so ever and yes the tranny is full of fluid to the top of the add line yes it worked fine before the engine swap. Never had any problems with it. the neutral safety switch is working fine. ie; only starts in park or neutral back up lights come on in reverse brake lights work when pushed does any and i do mean any one have and %^#$ING idea whats going on or had this problem themselves. About the only thing i did not do was to completely fill the torque converter before installing it but it was filled about halfway as to avoid loss of too much fluid in my garage.please help I'm at a serious loss and my wife is on my ass for her beloved blazer being down this long .

swartlkk 03-31-2011 06:07 AM

Is it 4wd? If so, did the transfer case get shifted into neutral somehow? Does it move even when in park?

kmulholl 03-31-2011 07:10 AM

if you pulled the engine with the tanny still attached, did you reconnect the driveshaft/s? it's probably the transfere case in neutral though, like swarlkk suggested.

kcub 03-31-2011 08:33 AM

Did you bolt the torque converter back to the flexplate?

j_rrod74 03-31-2011 01:34 PM

the shift selector for the transfer case is push button type and when pushed to select 2H 4H 4L you can hear it engage so i do not believe its in neutral as far as the driveshaft yes its in and the torque converter is bolted to the flexplate as far as moving while its in park i will check never tried that.

kmulholl 03-31-2011 01:40 PM

you say you here the transfere case engage, do you here the tranny engage when you shift ? if not, maybe your shift linkage is disconnected.

j_rrod74 03-31-2011 02:28 PM

shift linkage is definitely connected when you shift the tranny into gear the engine idle does'nt change like it isnt shifting into any gear it has been suggested to me that when i installed the tranny to engine that i may have broke the nubs off of the front pump in the tranny so it isnt pumping fluid at all not allowing me to get any gears it has also been suggested that maybe the neutral safety switch which also sends signal to the actuators in the tranny may be bad.has anyone had any expierience with either of those things im not much of an automatic tranny guy always had manuals myself.

and no you dont hear or feel anything from the tranny when its shifted into gear.

swartlkk 03-31-2011 02:40 PM

If it still rolls in park and the transfer case is definitely not in neutral, then you have internal problems in the transmission.

If it doesn't roll in park, then the transfer case is engaged properly and the park dog in the transmission is working properly. The next thing may very well be the pump in the trans. To see if this may be the case, pull one of the transmission cooler lines and direct it into a bucket (using some additional hose on to both the outlet from the radiator & the line). Start the engine. If you do not get fluid out of one of the lines, the pump is not working.

Frog 03-31-2011 03:40 PM

^^^What he said.....also how did you install the torque converter??

Did you bolt it to the flexplate first then install the tranny.....or did you install it on the tranny first, bolt up the tranny and then install the flexplate bolts??

TZFBird 03-31-2011 07:22 PM

Did you fill trans fluid with vehicle running? Converter holds more than 4 quarts alone plus around 6 in the pan. It could be that you are still low enough that nothing is happening. I've rebuilt/installed at least 6 transmissions and am still surprised that I never have enough fluid in the first time. One thing I always do it pull the dipstick and listen. If you hear gurgling you are WAY to low on fluid and the pump is sucking air.

I would first start by verifying everything else that has been stated. If it worked when it was removed, then there really shouldn't be any excuse for it not to work when reinstalled. Unless something was done incredibly wrong aside from lack of fluid.

Does anything happen if gear selector is moved into 1?

j_rrod74 03-31-2011 09:56 PM

no the torque converter was first attached to the flex-plate then the trans. was installed to which i now know was extremely wrong to do.which is now why i believe after reading all of these responses (thank you all very much for your inputs) and the inquiring that i have done away from this forum that i believe i have damaged the front pump nubs that go into the torque converter.my next step is to unplug a trans. cooling line start the truck and see if i have any pressure at all if not then i shall remove trans. and examine the front pump and replace i'm sure (Ive called around 360.00 from dealer but i may have found a rebuilt for 200.00 not sure till i match it up since there are 2 types) but im convinced that ive broken the front pump due to incorrect installation of trans. and parts

swartlkk 04-01-2011 06:12 AM

Ouch. Yeah so there is a good chance you FUBAR'd your pump. Hopefully that is the only damage.

Frog 04-01-2011 09:55 AM

Double ouch.....That is the reason I asked....I installed my first tranny the same way....I thought it was like installing a manual trans..:(

So, I had to remove it and get another trans from the salvage yard...they were nice enough to replace it for a small fee.

Hope all goes well with the next install....one thing though. When installing the torque converter you will feel 2 clicks so to speak. The first will be the the converter splines engaging the splines on the trans input shaft and the second will be when the converter fully seats around the pump ears...you will have to rotate the converter back and forth to make sure it is fully seated.

TZFBird 04-01-2011 10:10 AM

Don't leave out the fact that the converter should sit back about 1" from the face of the bellhousing. If not it may not be engauged with the pump completely. The thing I do is, if I can fit any fingers between the converter and the pump, it's not on completely. I suppose that method works unless you have gorilla paws.

j_rrod74 04-02-2011 01:06 AM

yes ouch is right and i have disconnected a trans. cooling line with vehicle running and a big NO PRESSURE lol so yes pump is toast i'm working on pulling the trans. now and hopefully the torque converter was a little more forgiving of my stupidity ( hoping anyway ) I would like to thank all of you for your time knowledge and kindness of not laughing too loudly at me (even though i fully expected it and can take it) but i appreciate all the feedback i have received and especially the tips and tricks for re installation as i have stated im not an AT guy or ever owned any Chevy's so any help all could give would be greatly appreciated. I do have a Haynes repair manual which i prefer to Chilton but i have noticed that Haynes does not give you the tips and tricks like Chilton does but Chilton pictures suck and the general layout of procedures can be a bit confusing as well sometimes. once again thank you all and any tips would be appreciated.also what do you think my chances of getting a working pump and torque converter from a wrecking yard are ?

TZFBird 04-03-2011 04:51 AM

I would first survey the damage. Can you just replace the pump rotor, or did it bast out the pump casting? The pump internals can be purchased new for $10+shipping online. I don't know of any places that sell just the pump out of a transmission. Maybe a transmission shop has some cores laying around they use for donors.

j_rrod74 04-04-2011 06:38 PM

10 dollars plus shipping would be awesome do you happen to have a site name


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