i got an delco filter on my truck right now i did the oil change the other day

the guy who sold me the filter said they upgraded the product and has been hearing a lot of good stuff of the new delco filters I hope mine will work out great

 

I guess so, I mean you see the picture of what came out of mine. From what I can see it's better than before. The drain back valve is what I like the most, they're good for any car/truck where the filter itself sits Horizontally on the vehicle.
That, and they got rid of those cardboard end caps like the orange can has.

 

yea im glad you took one apart cause i was watching my oil pressure closely

 

okay.. to clarify things.. I searched for the Wix filters.. all i can find on their site is that they are for racing only.. are they still usable in non-racing vehicles? I.E. Can i go buy one for a GM v6 motor that is about 4 1/2" high and slap it on my blazer without any problems? Are you saying that delco filters are cheap like the frams as well?

Assuming the wix filter is for racing only motors, wix being the best filter on the market regardless, what about the mobil 1 filters or the Supertech filters? Pennzoil filters?

Guess what im getting at is.. there was no real comparison between anything in this thread beside fram being garbage.. wix was thrown in a video and someone cut open a cheap chinese filter.. but where was the real comparisons from the wide variety of filters? I agree that Frams are junk. What can be concidered a "good" filter then if Wix can only be applied to racing vehicles?

Someone posted a picture or two about the various filters cut open.. but that doesn't say much of anything to "non-mechanic" people such as myself. I don't know jack crap bout filters, but what I do know is that everyone will condemn them the moment of fail arises. What if someone bought a wix filter, neglected to change thier oil for awhile, finally changed it, cut the filter open and saw shaving in there? Would they then condemn the Wix brand and say it was garbage as well? To me, whenever someone chops open a filter and analyzes it, there's no definite proof that they just put it on there 5k miles ago or that the motor itself was taken care of before the filter was put on. What about if the motor itself was already in bad shape and someone decided okay im going to change my oil and look at the insides of the filter. Based on what i find ill know if the filter is garbage or not. Basically you're going by word of mouth from people. Word of mouth can be a good way to learn things.. but it can also be a good way to spread false data.

Its easy to say "Oh these are garbage and these are good" when it comes to anything.. but it looks as if all anyone is doing is looking at the NAME of the filter, except fram, and just pretty much condemning it without taking any kind of scientific approach or personal experience with it.

HEres what it looks like to me--

OP: Whats a good filter to use?
RE1: Frams are garbage. Use wix
RE2: Frams are garbage
RE3: Frams are Garbage.
RE4: Frams are garbage, I bought a chinese filter. Its garbage.
RE5: Wix are great! Frams are garbage.

So lets analyze this first off.. from the moment the OP said Filter and oil.. fram was being ripped apart (which it does well enough on its own) but nobody really had any advice besides fram is garbage and wix are the best. What nobody said was which other "Name brand" filter is as good, or at least comes close to the Wix brand?

In other words, take wix out of the picture. Everyone knows they are the best.. but they aren't that easily attainable. Me personally, I have to travel over 70 miles to get one. So what would be the best "most common" filter.. I.E. which filter is the best that you can find in any/all part stores across the nation?

 

Are you making comments on the last 10 posts? Or are you actually reading from the start?
NO, I personally don't think Wix is the best.. Yes, you can get em for your car/truck. No they're not only for racing, If you would read the thread you would realize that.......
Do I know what the best is? NO...
Is it really that big of a deal? NO...
I'm not following you here.. (MOST) of the filters cut open were based on quality before they ever get put on any vehicle
Your putting words in the mouths of others. Say what you want to, but I find this interesting and I'm having a good time with it. I've learned a lot of things I didn't know about oil/filters.
No one is telling you what to do..
Yes, I cut open a Chinese filter to check it out.. last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to do so. Curiosity isn't a crime..
We're not 4 year old's here, No one is pointing any fingers, and laughing at anyone if they use a Fram oil filter..
If you happened to be a Fram lover, this thread isn't intended to **** anyone off. Take the information here how you want to..

 

you misunderstood my post. If you are referring to the short stint of OP,RE1-5 as reference for the depth of which i read this topic, you were mistaken. I have read from the very beginning.

I was simply saying that there hasn't really been any kind of comparison between filters/brands. Just a lot of bashing on fram.

Wheres the science at? I did not mean to offend you by stating you cut open a chinese filter, it was your money and time, nothing to me. But you did that in a comparison to a fram filter.. then said something along the lines of you wont buy them because they are chinese. Which was perfectly understandable. I am sorry that you get angered so easily. I was not trying to point and laugh at fram users, just saying this topic has been mostly fram bashing. I don't see how i put words in the mouths of others. But if that is how you felt or took my previous post then so be it. I wasn't telling anyone what to do, I was asking questions that came to my mind, which is what i -thought- this forum was about.

 

Why don't you help the cause? Why should one person buy all those filters and cut them open? While cutting them open can provide some insight into build quality to a certain extent, it isn't nor should it be the sole reference point to the overall effectiveness of the filter. There are many other aspects of what makes a good filter (filtration efficiency, pressure drop, contamination capacity, etc) and I highly doubt that there is a single person here that has the equipment to effectively run a comparison.

We all can only render advice with what we have experience in/with. I do not believe that any of our members here are an oil expert, filtration expert, etc. Collectively though, there is a lot of knowledge and experience. I posted my personal experience and disdain for a particular brand. It's my experience and my opinion, that's it.

If you want scientific proof, you're looking in the wrong place and based on your statement, you wouldn't know it if you were to see it anyway...

 

I had never seen it on the shelvs until today, so I was interested in it. You didn't offend me at all. Just handing it back the best I know how to.
I'm one that try's to buy everything American, although its mostly impossible. It was a personal opinion, thats all

 

what about royal purple.... is the hype all worth the cost to do royal purple oil and filter? im intreagued by its advertisements

 

wow this turned in to a hornets nest!
In the past I had always bought fram filters, and a few years back I remember hearing some counterfeit ones got in to the US and really made a sham of things with oil filters.
Then the water got muddied by a bunch of wild ads by other mfg. and it started to sound like our politicians during a election year, the mud was a flying.

I had just started getting back to changing my own oil in my vehicles (mainly due to access to a lift) and about a month ago I changed the oil in my blazer, and I must have just got a defective Fram filter (I don't know), the check valve was bad. I swapped it out for a AC Delco filter, is it better or worst than the Fram? I have got rid of part of my problems in the morning when I start it up. I am not saying it better or worst but defects do happen.