Ecm1 fuse blows/ injector spider coil???
#1
Ecm1 fuse blows/ injector spider coil???
Hello, new member looking for verification on my 2003 blazer 4wd with 4.3l.
It all started when it died in a parking lot and wouldn’t start.
i changed the fuel pump and it ran good for a while, but then started running rough and blowing the ecm1 fuse. Sometimes a new fuse would last a day other times 5minutes and then immediately as I turned the ignition switch.
i replace the ignition switch and the ignition coil, still not fixed.
Today I pulled the connector off the spider injectors and tested the harness to ground and it was fine. Then I tested the actual pins on the injector spider and I got continuity to ground on pin E
So my question is, do you agree that injector 3 coil is shorted and causing ecm1 fuse to blow?
im getting tired of working on this $1000 truck and don’t want to waste any more money than I have to...
thanks to anyone who replies!
It all started when it died in a parking lot and wouldn’t start.
i changed the fuel pump and it ran good for a while, but then started running rough and blowing the ecm1 fuse. Sometimes a new fuse would last a day other times 5minutes and then immediately as I turned the ignition switch.
i replace the ignition switch and the ignition coil, still not fixed.
Today I pulled the connector off the spider injectors and tested the harness to ground and it was fine. Then I tested the actual pins on the injector spider and I got continuity to ground on pin E
So my question is, do you agree that injector 3 coil is shorted and causing ecm1 fuse to blow?
im getting tired of working on this $1000 truck and don’t want to waste any more money than I have to...
thanks to anyone who replies!
#2
Hello, new member looking for verification on my 2003 blazer 4wd with 4.3l.
It all started when it died in a parking lot and wouldn’t start.
i changed the fuel pump and it ran good for a while, but then started running rough and blowing the ecm1 fuse. Sometimes a new fuse would last a day other times 5minutes and then immediately as I turned the ignition switch.
i replace the ignition switch and the ignition coil, still not fixed.
Today I pulled the connector off the spider injectors and tested the harness to ground and it was fine. Then I tested the actual pins on the injector spider and I got continuity to ground on pin E
So my question is, do you agree that injector 3 coil is shorted and causing ecm1 fuse to blow?
im getting tired of working on this $1000 truck and don’t want to waste any more money than I have to...
thanks to anyone who replies!
It all started when it died in a parking lot and wouldn’t start.
i changed the fuel pump and it ran good for a while, but then started running rough and blowing the ecm1 fuse. Sometimes a new fuse would last a day other times 5minutes and then immediately as I turned the ignition switch.
i replace the ignition switch and the ignition coil, still not fixed.
Today I pulled the connector off the spider injectors and tested the harness to ground and it was fine. Then I tested the actual pins on the injector spider and I got continuity to ground on pin E
So my question is, do you agree that injector 3 coil is shorted and causing ecm1 fuse to blow?
im getting tired of working on this $1000 truck and don’t want to waste any more money than I have to...
thanks to anyone who replies!
So when you say you measured continuity to ground through Pin E, did you do this measurement with all of the connections to the injector spider disconnected?
What did you use as ground?
Did you measure continuity through each coil? E.g. E-F, C-D, H-G, etc?
Did you also measure continuity between Pins A, B, C, D, F, G, H, J, K, L, and M and your ground?
#3
The wire connector to the spider was disconnected. There is a ground stud on the firewall that i tested pin E with. I also tested pinE and F and it had continuity (a coil should have continuity though, so I tested to actual ground on the firewall) I did test the other pins on the other injectors and they tested open. I can’t remember the code I got on my scanner, but it was a misfire on cylinder 1. I feel like the spider is bad or at least E and F, which is the injector for cylinder 1. Can you change just the 1 injector or do you have to change the complete spider? Or are you thinking the vcm is the problem?
thank you
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Last edited by bbaklund; 07-19-2020 at 06:26 AM.
#4
Pin E on injector harness is for injector#1. If the injector is shorted, just replace it. A 2003 should be the second type down in the remanufactured listing here. GB REMANUFACTURING 83322105
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...+injector,6224
First you might want to take the plastic cover off the intake for inspection and check to make sure the wires to that injector aren't worn through and grounded on the injection spider bracket. Keep in mind that a shorted injector could damage the VCM, but they are typically internally protected against that happening. Does a noid light flash for #1 on the injector harness. If so, the PCM should be fine.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...+injector,6224
First you might want to take the plastic cover off the intake for inspection and check to make sure the wires to that injector aren't worn through and grounded on the injection spider bracket. Keep in mind that a shorted injector could damage the VCM, but they are typically internally protected against that happening. Does a noid light flash for #1 on the injector harness. If so, the PCM should be fine.
Last edited by LesMyer; 07-19-2020 at 12:41 PM.
#5
OK, So you have a scanner error that you have a misfire on cylinder 1, with the fuel injector electrical connector disconnected there is a ground path from both pins E and F to ground, and with the electrical connector to the injector disconnected no other pins for the injector coils were connected to ground?
I would say your diagnosis is likely correct. The one puzzling thing to me is how there could be a ground path from the injector body to ground. I thought it had an all plastic body. But I must be wrong.
I guess there is a possibility that the transistor that controls the current flow through injector 1 could be shorted. But I think that possibility could be excluded by the evidence that the injector coil for injector 1, through either pin E or F, is connected to ground at all times. The only way the injector could be grounded through the VCM is if the electrical connector to the injector was connected. But to do your tests, the plug was removed. So at the minimum the injector is bad.
A check of the injector 1 control transistor could be done but be sure first to touch your multi-meter leads to a grounded surface along touching your hands to a metal surface. Doing this will discharge any accumulated static electricity on you that could damage the solid-state electronics (the transistors). And set the Ohm-meter setting to the highest setting which will limit the current that could go through.
As for replacing the single injector, the answer is yes. I took a look at Rock Auto to get a picture of an injector body and saw that they sell the individual injectors.
But if you are interested in keeping the truck, you might consider doing the CSFI to MPFI upgrade if your truck did not already come with the MPFI system. Being a 99, mine had the older style.
This explains the difference. https://www.motormanfuelinjection.co...onversion.html
I would say your diagnosis is likely correct. The one puzzling thing to me is how there could be a ground path from the injector body to ground. I thought it had an all plastic body. But I must be wrong.
I guess there is a possibility that the transistor that controls the current flow through injector 1 could be shorted. But I think that possibility could be excluded by the evidence that the injector coil for injector 1, through either pin E or F, is connected to ground at all times. The only way the injector could be grounded through the VCM is if the electrical connector to the injector was connected. But to do your tests, the plug was removed. So at the minimum the injector is bad.
A check of the injector 1 control transistor could be done but be sure first to touch your multi-meter leads to a grounded surface along touching your hands to a metal surface. Doing this will discharge any accumulated static electricity on you that could damage the solid-state electronics (the transistors). And set the Ohm-meter setting to the highest setting which will limit the current that could go through.
As for replacing the single injector, the answer is yes. I took a look at Rock Auto to get a picture of an injector body and saw that they sell the individual injectors.
But if you are interested in keeping the truck, you might consider doing the CSFI to MPFI upgrade if your truck did not already come with the MPFI system. Being a 99, mine had the older style.
This explains the difference. https://www.motormanfuelinjection.co...onversion.html
#6
Ecm1 fuse blows when shower injector harness is plugged in
OK, So you have a scanner error that you have a misfire on cylinder 1, with the fuel injector electrical connector disconnected there is a ground path from both pins E and F to ground, and with the electrical connector to the injector disconnected no other pins for the injector coils were connected to ground?
I would say your diagnosis is likely correct. The one puzzling thing to me is how there could be a ground path from the injector body to ground. I thought it had an all plastic body. But I must be wrong.
I guess there is a possibility that the transistor that controls the current flow through injector 1 could be shorted. But I think that possibility could be excluded by the evidence that the injector coil for injector 1, through either pin E or F, is connected to ground at all times. The only way the injector could be grounded through the VCM is if the electrical connector to the injector was connected. But to do your tests, the plug was removed. So at the minimum the injector is bad.
A check of the injector 1 control transistor could be done but be sure first to touch your multi-meter leads to a grounded surface along touching your hands to a metal surface. Doing this will discharge any accumulated static electricity on you that could damage the solid-state electronics (the transistors). And set the Ohm-meter setting to the highest setting which will limit the current that could go through.
As for replacing the single injector, the answer is yes. I took a look at Rock Auto to get a picture of an injector body and saw that they sell the individual injectors.
But if you are interested in keeping the truck, you might consider doing the CSFI to MPFI upgrade if your truck did not already come with the MPFI system. Being a 99, mine had the older style.
This explains the difference. https://www.motormanfuelinjection.co...onversion.html
I would say your diagnosis is likely correct. The one puzzling thing to me is how there could be a ground path from the injector body to ground. I thought it had an all plastic body. But I must be wrong.
I guess there is a possibility that the transistor that controls the current flow through injector 1 could be shorted. But I think that possibility could be excluded by the evidence that the injector coil for injector 1, through either pin E or F, is connected to ground at all times. The only way the injector could be grounded through the VCM is if the electrical connector to the injector was connected. But to do your tests, the plug was removed. So at the minimum the injector is bad.
A check of the injector 1 control transistor could be done but be sure first to touch your multi-meter leads to a grounded surface along touching your hands to a metal surface. Doing this will discharge any accumulated static electricity on you that could damage the solid-state electronics (the transistors). And set the Ohm-meter setting to the highest setting which will limit the current that could go through.
As for replacing the single injector, the answer is yes. I took a look at Rock Auto to get a picture of an injector body and saw that they sell the individual injectors.
But if you are interested in keeping the truck, you might consider doing the CSFI to MPFI upgrade if your truck did not already come with the MPFI system. Being a 99, mine had the older style.
This explains the difference. https://www.motormanfuelinjection.co...onversion.html
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