WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
#101
09-18-2007, 05:35 PM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
I just thought I'd bump this up again. I just received an email from Gerard Gibbs law firm who is the prinicipal law firm working on this class action lawsuit that seems like is going no where. Anyway have a read.
We are writing to update you on the status of the Dex-Cool litigation. This email addresses the Multi-District Litigation (MDL) multi-state case pending in East St. Louis, Illinois. It does not concern vehicles purchased in Missouri, California, or Texas, which are expressly excluded from the MDL case. Additionally, this email concerns the 3.1L, 3.4L, 3.8L, and 4.3L engine platforms, which are at issue in the MDL case. As we previously reported, plaintiffs in the MDL asked the Court to certify the following issues for resolution at trial:
1.Whether the intake manifold gaskets in GM’s 3.1L, 3.4L and 3.8L engines (model years 1996- 2003) are incompatible with Dex-Cool engine coolant, causing the gaskets to fail prematurely; and
2.Whether the engine cooling systems in GM’s 4.3L engine (model years 1996-2000) is incompatible with Dex-Cool engine coolant, causing excessive sludge in the engine’s cooling system.
Unfortunately, the Court denied plaintiffs’ request to certify the class. Among other things, the Court found that the differing state laws, including the requirement in some states that consumers seeking relief for breach of warranty prove “reliance” on the warranty at the time of purchase, and the possible difficulty of figuring out the cause of “sludge” on a class-wide basis, warrant against class certification. It is important for you to understand that the Court’s decision denying class certification is not a decision on the merits of plaintiffs’ case. Instead, it is a decision on whether it is procedurally appropriate for the case to proceed as a class action, as requested by plaintiffs. We are in the process of determining whether to ask the Court to certify individual state classes on behalf of a more limited line of GM vehicles. Because we have yet to decide on an appropriate course of action, if you are considering pursing a “gasket” or “sludge” claim against GM, such as in your local small claims court, you should not delay in doing so, as the passage of time may effect your rights. If you have a vehicle with a 3.1L, 3.4L or 3.8L engine and have experienced a lower intake manifold gasket failure, and would like us to consider pursing a “gasket” class action limited to your state, please let us know and we will expedite the necessary research and let you know whether such an action is feasible under your state’s laws. If you would like us to undertake such research, you may contact us at [email protected].
1.Whether the intake manifold gaskets in GM’s 3.1L, 3.4L and 3.8L engines (model years 1996- 2003) are incompatible with Dex-Cool engine coolant, causing the gaskets to fail prematurely; and
2.Whether the engine cooling systems in GM’s 4.3L engine (model years 1996-2000) is incompatible with Dex-Cool engine coolant, causing excessive sludge in the engine’s cooling system.
Unfortunately, the Court denied plaintiffs’ request to certify the class. Among other things, the Court found that the differing state laws, including the requirement in some states that consumers seeking relief for breach of warranty prove “reliance” on the warranty at the time of purchase, and the possible difficulty of figuring out the cause of “sludge” on a class-wide basis, warrant against class certification. It is important for you to understand that the Court’s decision denying class certification is not a decision on the merits of plaintiffs’ case. Instead, it is a decision on whether it is procedurally appropriate for the case to proceed as a class action, as requested by plaintiffs. We are in the process of determining whether to ask the Court to certify individual state classes on behalf of a more limited line of GM vehicles. Because we have yet to decide on an appropriate course of action, if you are considering pursing a “gasket” or “sludge” claim against GM, such as in your local small claims court, you should not delay in doing so, as the passage of time may effect your rights. If you have a vehicle with a 3.1L, 3.4L or 3.8L engine and have experienced a lower intake manifold gasket failure, and would like us to consider pursing a “gasket” class action limited to your state, please let us know and we will expedite the necessary research and let you know whether such an action is feasible under your state’s laws. If you would like us to undertake such research, you may contact us at [email protected].
#102
09-18-2007, 06:48 PM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
Dex-cool was in my Blazer when i bought it, but no longer. I went with the regular green Prestone. I hear Dex-cool may be a culprit in someway helping to cause intake manifold failure, but well who knows??
#103
09-20-2007, 12:11 AM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
Well, the best way to handle dex-cool is to flush it out real good and refill with 50/50 mix of the green stuff. No more leaky intakes, water pumps, t-stat housings, or plugged heater cores. This may not apply everywhere, but my experience as a dealership tech in the middle of the desert says dex-cool is junk.
Go Green!
Go Green!
#104
09-21-2007, 01:50 AM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
my girlfriend just got a 99 olds alero with 155k miles. Its been on dexcool for its whole life andruns great(Great mantainace), but im prob. gonna flush it out and go EG. Ive just heard from too many mechanics that dexcool is no good.
#105
09-21-2007, 05:56 AM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
ORIGINAL: TwistinChrome
Well, the best way to handle dex-cool is to flush it out real good and refill with 50/50 mix of the green stuff. No more leaky intakes, water pumps, t-stat housings, or plugged heater cores. This may not apply everywhere, but my experience as a dealership tech in the middle of the desert says dex-cool is junk.
Go Green!
Well, the best way to handle dex-cool is to flush it out real good and refill with 50/50 mix of the green stuff. No more leaky intakes, water pumps, t-stat housings, or plugged heater cores. This may not apply everywhere, but my experience as a dealership tech in the middle of the desert says dex-cool is junk.
Go Green!
#106
09-21-2007, 12:03 PM
Senior Member
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
ORIGINAL: TwistinChrome
Well, the best way to handle dex-cool is to flush it out real good and refill with 50/50 mix of the green stuff. No more leaky intakes, water pumps, t-stat housings, or plugged heater cores. This may not apply everywhere, but my experience as a dealership tech in the middle of the desert says dex-cool is junk.
Go Green!
Well, the best way to handle dex-cool is to flush it out real good and refill with 50/50 mix of the green stuff. No more leaky intakes, water pumps, t-stat housings, or plugged heater cores. This may not apply everywhere, but my experience as a dealership tech in the middle of the desert says dex-cool is junk.
Go Green!
Now if you really want to know what i think, i say go pentosin, purely for the fact that stuff is blue, how cool is that, LOL.
#107
09-22-2007, 03:04 AM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
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While that may have been the suggested practice when dexcool first came out, many other GM sites that I am a part of are now experiencing intake manifold failures on GREEN COOLANT ONLY engines after full rebuilds. Now, is it the coolant? Or is it just bad intake manifold designs...? As suggested in the email from the law firm above, it is poor intake gasket design and/or material choice that is causing all of the problems.
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I've personally resealed about 500+ GM intakes, maybe 5 had green coolant in them. So it sounds to me like you have more website memberships than work experience...
All I'm saying is Dex-Cool is far more problematic than the green stuff. Any dyed-in-the-wool GM guy or girl can agree with that. Is that too much to state?
#108
09-22-2007, 03:20 AM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
More like Dex-NOT-cool! I have a bad story about it. I have an 01 that started overheating and losing coolant when summer started. After reading up on Dexcool, I decided to go with a flush and getting some fresh green stuff. I don't know what happened, but I opened the overflow and it looked like someone poured a gallon of used oil in the thing. We took it out, hosed it, cleaned it, and put it in a parts washer for over an hour, and it was still black on the inside! The coolant after the flush was all nasty and brown and sludgy. Just plain ol' bad news. I'm happy to say that green is running fine and staying very cool even in 110+ degree heat while off roading. And that's where I need it! I do know people who have no problems with the stuff, and that's great. But in my opinion; there's nothing cool, about dexcool.
Thanks for listenin' to my story!
Thanks for listenin' to my story!
#109
09-22-2007, 10:53 AM
RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
ORIGINAL: TwistinChrome
I've personally resealed about 500+ GM intakes, maybe 5 had green coolant in them. So it sounds to me like you have more website memberships than work experience...
All I'm saying is Dex-Cool is far more problematic than the green stuff. Any dyed-in-the-wool GM guy or girl can agree with that. Is that too much to state?
I've personally resealed about 500+ GM intakes, maybe 5 had green coolant in them. So it sounds to me like you have more website memberships than work experience...
All I'm saying is Dex-Cool is far more problematic than the green stuff. Any dyed-in-the-wool GM guy or girl can agree with that. Is that too much to state?
Also, please go read up on BonnevilleClub.com. MANY, MANY members there were of the EXACT opinion as those here until many of them swapped out their intake manifold gaskets and went with EG coolant. Only to have failures in the EXACT same manner later on. Why do you think that the lawsuits that started out as being against GM for Dexcool have now changed their tune. Now they are all about poor intake gasket design. Doesn't take a rocket scientist.
That's all I have to say. Time to go swap out the starter on my Dad's pickup. Oh wait, that's right, I only read and can't actually do mechanical work... Please[&o]
