1999 ZR2 Blazer Starting Issues
#11
Hey Captain...assuming he has not removed the distributor, it wouldn't be possible for it to move a tooth would it? Do you think the ECT being unplugged could have thrown the timing off some? I read that somewhere. Or is there no way that the ECT could throw off the timing be enough to display a P1345?
Of course, if the distributor has been removed at one time or another, that would probably be the answer.
Of course, if the distributor has been removed at one time or another, that would probably be the answer.
#12
ECT has nothing to do with cam crank correlation. Even if the distributor drive gear was worn, I don't think it could, or would, jump just one tooth. More likely it would shear the teeth off the gear and the engine would quit. Camshaft retard has to be off ~27 degrees or more for the DTC to set. There only a few things that can set P1345: 1) If the timing chain jumps. 2) If the distributor loosened up and moved far enough. 3) The distributor was removed and not installed properly.
The crankshaft gear has 22 teeth, the camshaft gear has 44 teeth, if the timing chain jumps one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~12 degrees. The distributor gear and the cam gear each have 13 teeth, if it's off by one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~27 degrees. Checking camshaft retard on a scan tool would give a huge clue as to what happened.
The crankshaft gear has 22 teeth, the camshaft gear has 44 teeth, if the timing chain jumps one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~12 degrees. The distributor gear and the cam gear each have 13 teeth, if it's off by one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~27 degrees. Checking camshaft retard on a scan tool would give a huge clue as to what happened.
Last edited by Captain Hook; 02-10-2013 at 06:49 PM.
#14
Yeah, but that's assuming camshaft retard was correct before whatever went wrong. There is a thread on the forum that explains how to install the distributor. In your case, where it's at least close, I think I would pull the distributor cap off, then manually rotate the crankshaft clockwise until the timing marks line up perfectly, and the rotor segment is within ~20 degress or so of the "6" on the housing. Then pull the distributor and reinstall it so the segment is as close as possible to the "6".
#15
ECT has nothing to do with cam crank correlation. Even if the distributor drive gear was worn, I don't think it could, or would, jump just one tooth. More likely it would shear the teeth off the gear and the engine would quit. Camshaft retard has to be off ~27 degrees or more for the DTC to set. There only a few things that can set P1345: 1) If the timing chain jumps. 2) If the distributor loosened up and moved far enough. 3) The distributor was removed and not installed properly.
The crankshaft gear has 22 teeth, the camshaft gear has 44 teeth, if the timing chain jumps one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~12 degrees. The distributor gear and the cam gear each have 13 teeth, if it's off by one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~27 degrees. Checking camshaft retard on a scan tool would give a huge clue as to what happened.
The crankshaft gear has 22 teeth, the camshaft gear has 44 teeth, if the timing chain jumps one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~12 degrees. The distributor gear and the cam gear each have 13 teeth, if it's off by one tooth, camshaft retard will show ~27 degrees. Checking camshaft retard on a scan tool would give a huge clue as to what happened.
#16
Yeah, but that's assuming camshaft retard was correct before whatever went wrong. There is a thread on the forum that explains how to install the distributor. In your case, where it's at least close, I think I would pull the distributor cap off, then manually rotate the crankshaft clockwise until the timing marks line up perfectly, and the rotor segment is within ~20 degress or so of the "6" on the housing. Then pull the distributor and reinstall it so the segment is as close as possible to the "6".
#17
Camshaft retard is adjusted by slightly rotating the distributor. The streaming data is viewed only on a capable scan tool, (the el cheapo $500 jobbies can't access it). If /when the distributor is disturbed or removed, camshaft retard should be checked & adjusted if necessary. Desired spec is zero degrees with a tolerance of + or - 2 degrees. Just an FYI: If you remove the distributor, the odds are astronomically against you getting it back in spec without using a scan tool.
#18
Camshaft retard is adjusted by slightly rotating the distributor. The streaming data is viewed only on a capable scan tool, (the el cheapo $500 jobbies can't access it). If /when the distributor is disturbed or removed, camshaft retard should be checked & adjusted if necessary. Desired spec is zero degrees with a tolerance of + or - 2 degrees. Just an FYI: If you remove the distributor, the odds are astronomically against you getting it back in spec without using a scan tool.
#19
The timing chain is probably ok. Check and adjust camshaft retard should be under an hour labor. Not really sure why they call it "camshaft retard", as far as I'm concerned it should be called "camshaft position sensor alignment" because that's what it does... aligns the sensor with the camshaft.