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Converting Electric Tailgate to Manual

Old Mar 30, 2011 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by swartlkk
If you do not have a switch in the dash, then you will not have any power going to either the light blue or tan/white wire going into the tailgate at the bottom. If you are not going to use a dash switch, then shrink wrap the end of each wire separately and tuck them up inside the tailgate somewhere out of the way.

The pink wire feeds the key switch in the tailgate. For UP, the cut-out switch is inline on the light blue wire. This prohibits the closing of the window whenever the tailgate is down. If the switch has failed open or is not properly installed, it will not close when the tailgate is closed and you will not be able to open the window. Many people just bypass this switch.
Ok I will take a look at this switch in the morning and see whats going on with the blue wire. The dash switch is working and it was painless so I will go ahead and try to use it for the sole reason of convenience. Thanks again
 
Old Apr 3, 2011 | 08:48 AM
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UPDATE:

We have officially got the tailgate working!!! Thank you very much for your help Swartlkk. For whatever reason, that cut off switch wouldn't let the window go up. We did what you said and bypassed the cut off with a rigged jump switch that can be taken on and off if I ever want to get it working exactly right. I don't really care about having that safety on there as I don't plan on having the window up with the tailgate down. Just waiting on my new bottom track to get in and we will put the glass back in it. My next task is to put a new floor in the cargo area. I am going to have to teach myself how to weld so I'm sure I'll be back with more questions.
 

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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by abig84
i agree with you. ive had electric's in the past and i love nothing more then the electric motor going out when you need to get something out of the back. or not rolling all the way back up when its cold out.

so basically yea you need the manual regulator and.. thats really pretty much it. you will need the manual crank instead of the keyed plate thats up there but you can use a pickle fork to turn it up and down if you really want to be cheep
Where is a good place to look for manual regulators and such? My key plate is pretty much toast as well as the motor so I get to drive around Montana with no heat and a fully open window lol.
 
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Glad you got it all up and running.

As far as where to get a manual regulator, junk yards are probably going to be your best be. I'm keeping mine after I swap to electric in my '74.
 
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Originally Posted by swartlkk
Glad you got it all up and running.

As far as where to get a manual regulator, junk yards are probably going to be your best be. I'm keeping mine after I swap to electric in my '74.
Actually, LMC truck sells the manual regulators which surprised me. I have found them at junkyards, but for the small price difference, I would just go with LMC. Regardless, I'm going to let this electric motor ride until it screws up again. Just curious, but what would make you want to go to electric from manual after hearing about all the problems?? I will try and post some pictures one day soon of the project that is my '86 k5.

Originally Posted by Nemesis76
Where is a good place to look for manual regulators and such? My key plate is pretty much toast as well as the motor so I get to drive around Montana with no heat and a fully open window lol.
Here is a link for you..
LMC Truck Parts - Page 33

Check out part #15
 

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I am aware that LMC truck carries them, however, I have read that they are not of the same quality as the originals which is why I recommend used originals.

As far as why to go electric. For the convenience. I know the short comings of the system and will address a few before I ever use it and others as I experience them.
 
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Originally Posted by swartlkk
I am aware that LMC truck carries them, however, I have read that they are not of the same quality as the originals which is why I recommend used originals.

As far as why to go electric. For the convenience. I know the short comings of the system and will address a few before I ever use it and others as I experience them.
I had not heard that before, but know that nothing is ever as good as the original. Although, getting more familiar with these trucks, it seems that everyone I know who has one has had a problem with the tailgate somewhere along the line. Poor engineering from my perspective. I now see why they make new gates on SUV's as one piece that lifts up altogether, with no window that rolls up and down. At the same time, I think it adds to the coolness/uniqueness of the vehicle. But man was it a project to get that thing working.
 
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One of the first things I am going to do to the tailgate is rewire it with relays. Since my truck doesn't have the wiring already, I can start with a clean slate. An 8ga wire with a 30A circuit breaker will run from the battery to the relays to be switched for controlling the motor. Another 8ga wire will serve as a dedicated ground for the tailgate. And two 16-18ga wires will run from the interior switch back to the relays where they will join in with the wires from the tailgate switch. I will likely keep the cutout switch, but may replace it with one that is more reliable as well as move it to the switching side of the 'up' relay.

Another weakness in the design is the cable. I have an extra motor, cable, and regulator sitting in my garage right now and may work at redesigning that to be more robust. It may just end up being that I solder the end of the cable solid so that the un-spooling effect doesn't occur. I may end up taking the extra motor that I have apart and seeing what can be modified/upgraded inside there as well. Most of the time though, if the regulator is kept well lubed, the window is properly adjusted, and the motor gets good power, the system will work very well.
 
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Wanted to also point you all to this thing i wrote up with my experience:

Linky Here
 
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Originally Posted by educky
Wanted to also point you all to this thing i wrote up with my experience:

Linky Here
Your site times out... Why not just post the info here?
 

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