yup ill keep my 92 also =P even tho it gives me problems sometimes but i still love her

 

The idea of "go green" doesn't bother me one bit. If they re-re-released the S-series SUV's in hybrid/electric versions, I'd buy them and wouldn't feel bad about it. I reckon a lot of people would be surprised how much torque an electric motor can manage - and I can see electric 4WDs in the future.

No, green is fine by me. I just don't see why "green" has to translate to this flat-face bumperless unattractive design style. But sadly, SUV's are no longer designed to function as light trucks with more passenger room; they're designed strictly to be luxury passenger vehicles one step above full-size cars; and their styling reflects that.

 

Really? Not anyone that knows what's driving the wheels of that train going by. Or someone who's done service in submarines.What's the problem here? It's exactly that which keeps your cost of ownership down. Isnt it? Yes or No.

The perfect roadway utility hauler vehicle is -in fact- the Minivan.
Now think about that a minute.
When you do and you look back on your attitude towards Minivans and -mainly- the people who drive them, can you seriously say you didnt help cause the problem yourself? Maybe you didnt but a lot of your fellow wheelers did. I know I did. Even though I think they're great.
So the Crossover is exactly a 'circle around to the back door' result of stigmatizing Minivans. Yes or No.

Now let's address the Electric paradigm. Suppose you live in a comfy older neighborhood and alla sudden half the people who live there buy plug-in hybrids.

Can you think what will happen then? How's your electric bill now? Do you have ANY idea at all what's going on the the Public Utility sector. Or do you leave that to other people to think about?

I'm gonna say.. never mind the glorified speechmaking about 'renewables' they do not work. Europe is full of test beds for wind and solar and they are being abandoned as fast as they are put up. And companies going broke once the government subsidies run out.
The perfect portable vehicle fuels so far in both efficiency and costs are Diesel, Gasoline and Compressed Natural Gas, in that order. Even most up to date battery tech lags far behind.

Alll you guys better start thinking BIG PICTURE
And notice I did not even bring up where the rare earths to build the batteries and motors come from and controls the supply of them.

 

Neither of which describes most people.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not against minivans or luxury cars or SUV's. I'm expressing displeasure purely with the aesthetic design of modern crossovers and making the observation that the design change is a result of a shift in the kind of customer who buys SUV's.

Gas is high now. It is. Already. Sure, electric utility may go up; it also may not. Until it does, electric makes microeconomic sense now.

 

For who? Certainly not me ..... and millions of other Americans out there. You do know the Chevy Volt costs OVER $40k, right? And the government wanted to get it out to market so fast, they overlooked the fact that they SUCK - they catch on fire, they require YOUR TAX DOLLARS to build, and YOUR TAX DOLLARS to train fire fighters on how NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES when extricating a person from a Volt.

They're getting there ... but it certainly isn't ready yet

The market will decide which renewable fuels will take over from petroleum. Forced socialist policies from a left wing administration WILL NOT, as you can plainly see - just search the net ... or find a non biased news source (good luck with that one).

Holy off topic! Now back to your regularly scheduled programming ....

 

But... but ... but... SMITTY!!!!

They were such good students from such good schools!!!

 

That's a GM pricing decision issue, not an electric-vs-gasoline issue.

The Volt was developed by GM and the concept came before the government oversight began; and GM has returned all of the bailout money they received, so nobody's tax dollars are being used to build Volts. And rejecting the advancement of technology because it would cost firefighters "more tax money" to learn how to use and work around it safely is weak. There's nothing special about electric power in this regard; training firefighters to deal with emerging technology is inevitable and certainly one of the best possible uses of tax dollars.

 

yesno... .. actually they used an Enron type trick. Took money from one government fund to pay anotherNot exactly Federal tax dollars are lost on every volt sold, because of the tax incentive.

Probably the most reasonable view of the Volt's cost.

Setting it Straight: Chevy Volt vs. the Government - TheStreet

It's just not as good as that guy thinks it is.. yet

 

Okay fine; but saying electric is bad because a specific brand made missteps is a non sequitur. Perhaps there are reasons to reject the Volt (although it seems to me that it's nothing special about the Volt; these reasons would justify refusing to buy any GM vehicle); but they aren't reasons to oppose the development of electric vehicles in general.

 

I'm not opposed to electric vehicles.

I'm opposed to GOVERNMENT FUNDED electric vehicles - I.E. by my tax dollars.