Cracked Flexplate???
#1
Cracked Flexplate???
OK, I know this isnt blazer related, but I find so much help here that I figure Ill try my luck with you guys here cause Im sure I will get the good help I know I can rely on this forum for.
Wifes 1994 Explorer. 4.0V6, 4x4, A4LD transmission. Been parked a while cause its the rainy season and I didnt want to tackle this job and catch pnemonia so Ive had it parked for a couple months and been doing the car share thing. This truck is a gem and she really likes it... I hate it cause I cant scan the ABS in it without a special scanner and its a FORD, and friends dont let friends drive fords.
When starting it makes a horrible grind/screeching just like when the ring gear is worn out. I pulled the starter and looked in there, the ring gear and starter bendix are in great shape still. Sometimes it will start just fine, sometimes it will only grind until I manually rotate the engine a little. I pulled the starter when it was on a spot that it will only grind thinking I might be missing some teeth and nope, all the teeth are still there and none are chipped.
When running at idle the truck shakes like a cheap motel mechanical bed.
When revving it up the shaking gets horrible and at about 2000RPM it makes a metallic whirring noise and the vibration smooths out.
Anything about 2000RPM and that noise is so bad you almost need earplugs but there is no more vibration.
I have used my stethoscope to locate the noise to inside the bellhousing, I thought it might have spun a rear main berring to begin with. I have tried looking in behind the flexplate with a mirror to look for cracks, I cant seem to get a good veiw of this no matter how I bend the mirror and flashlight. I have removed the spark plugs and had someone rotate the crank by hand while I look in the starter hole. It seems to me that the flexplate is about 1/2cm egg shaped, as in I dont think its round anymore... This would explain why there is a 'dead spot' where the starter will only grind, and why it will start just fine other times. I can feel that all 3 bolts that join the flexplate to the TC are still there, well, the heads are there, cant tell if they are broken or not.
My question is this:
Am I retarded thinking that its possible for the flexplate to get out of round...? Is there something else I should be looking at before I go remove this driveline and exhaust to get at the flexplate? Is this something i can tell her that she caused? She likes to go from forward to reverse while still rolling slowly and hits the gas before the transmission engages sometimes resulting in a clunk into gear, it also has a trans fluid leak that she never tops up (I do when I fill her tank) and when the fluid is low she says she has to rev it up a little to get it in gear (I know I know she should get out and add fluid but she "got not time") This thing wont go into gear when its 1.5 litres underfull...
I have seem broken flexplates before, but not with these symptoms. All the ones I have seen broken before cracked around the 6 bolts and the flexplate grabbed onto the broken off part attached to the crank like a socket grabs a bolt... and those made a rattle like an impact wrench on very low speed does and made a "Clang" sound when going from reverse to drive and back... No vibrating and the vehicles were driveable. When taken apart the flexplate was in 2 separate peices with hammer marks where they used to be one peice.
Opinions please, I want to get cracking on this job this weekend so the wife will stop driving my blazer... Shes hard on cars and I would rather she be hard on her own car.
Wifes 1994 Explorer. 4.0V6, 4x4, A4LD transmission. Been parked a while cause its the rainy season and I didnt want to tackle this job and catch pnemonia so Ive had it parked for a couple months and been doing the car share thing. This truck is a gem and she really likes it... I hate it cause I cant scan the ABS in it without a special scanner and its a FORD, and friends dont let friends drive fords.
When starting it makes a horrible grind/screeching just like when the ring gear is worn out. I pulled the starter and looked in there, the ring gear and starter bendix are in great shape still. Sometimes it will start just fine, sometimes it will only grind until I manually rotate the engine a little. I pulled the starter when it was on a spot that it will only grind thinking I might be missing some teeth and nope, all the teeth are still there and none are chipped.
When running at idle the truck shakes like a cheap motel mechanical bed.
When revving it up the shaking gets horrible and at about 2000RPM it makes a metallic whirring noise and the vibration smooths out.
Anything about 2000RPM and that noise is so bad you almost need earplugs but there is no more vibration.
I have used my stethoscope to locate the noise to inside the bellhousing, I thought it might have spun a rear main berring to begin with. I have tried looking in behind the flexplate with a mirror to look for cracks, I cant seem to get a good veiw of this no matter how I bend the mirror and flashlight. I have removed the spark plugs and had someone rotate the crank by hand while I look in the starter hole. It seems to me that the flexplate is about 1/2cm egg shaped, as in I dont think its round anymore... This would explain why there is a 'dead spot' where the starter will only grind, and why it will start just fine other times. I can feel that all 3 bolts that join the flexplate to the TC are still there, well, the heads are there, cant tell if they are broken or not.
My question is this:
Am I retarded thinking that its possible for the flexplate to get out of round...? Is there something else I should be looking at before I go remove this driveline and exhaust to get at the flexplate? Is this something i can tell her that she caused? She likes to go from forward to reverse while still rolling slowly and hits the gas before the transmission engages sometimes resulting in a clunk into gear, it also has a trans fluid leak that she never tops up (I do when I fill her tank) and when the fluid is low she says she has to rev it up a little to get it in gear (I know I know she should get out and add fluid but she "got not time") This thing wont go into gear when its 1.5 litres underfull...
I have seem broken flexplates before, but not with these symptoms. All the ones I have seen broken before cracked around the 6 bolts and the flexplate grabbed onto the broken off part attached to the crank like a socket grabs a bolt... and those made a rattle like an impact wrench on very low speed does and made a "Clang" sound when going from reverse to drive and back... No vibrating and the vehicles were driveable. When taken apart the flexplate was in 2 separate peices with hammer marks where they used to be one peice.
Opinions please, I want to get cracking on this job this weekend so the wife will stop driving my blazer... Shes hard on cars and I would rather she be hard on her own car.
Last edited by ohsofly; 03-29-2010 at 11:51 PM.
#2
Sounds like you have a bad spot on the flex plate. It could be bent... Does it have a dust shield underneath?
Mark a spot on the flex plate and rotate it around while you check for any deviation in roundness and flatness. Measure from a fixed point on the block for both of these measurements.
Mark a spot on the flex plate and rotate it around while you check for any deviation in roundness and flatness. Measure from a fixed point on the block for both of these measurements.
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I dont have a dust cover, but through the hole where the starter bolts up I held a bolt up crudely to see if there is a bend or deviation and there is no bend in it front to back, but it seems that its egg shaped... Like a camshaft lobe... Just a little bit. Front what I remember this flexplate should be straight and true...
So it is possible for this part to get all screwy on me. If its all busted up Ill get a photo.
Thanks Kyle, I guess Ill start pulling this truck apart once the rain stops where I live.
Good thing is a NEW flexplate is only $55 at the local NAPA center.
Its too bad that transmission is so large and going to be HEAVY as well... And I have to undo the exhaust where it goes 2 into 1 so the trans can get past the pipes, awesome. At least I can try and fix that fluid leak before she takes out the transmission one of these days too.
So it is possible for this part to get all screwy on me. If its all busted up Ill get a photo.
Thanks Kyle, I guess Ill start pulling this truck apart once the rain stops where I live.
Good thing is a NEW flexplate is only $55 at the local NAPA center.
Its too bad that transmission is so large and going to be HEAVY as well... And I have to undo the exhaust where it goes 2 into 1 so the trans can get past the pipes, awesome. At least I can try and fix that fluid leak before she takes out the transmission one of these days too.
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