2nd Generation S-series (1995-2005) Tech Discuss 2nd generation S-series (1995-2005) general tech topics here.

chasing a gremlin

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 06-10-2016, 06:21 PM
newguy's Avatar
BF Veteran
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Easthampton, ma.
Posts: 4,205
newguy will become famous soon enoughnewguy will become famous soon enough
Default chasing a gremlin

2000 zr2. new stuff. Headers, coil wires, plugs, skip white distributor. relearn done, timing set. ac delco cap rotor, plugs.

Now the gremlin Start up runs idles great, when it gets up to full temp I have a random skip/miss. solus pro shows no misfires. took off throttle body and looked for washed down intake, nice and black, all good there. did a leak down, 60 psi and held steady for 20 minutes.

Next try. what I`m thinking is since it doesnt do it till fully warm maybe its a lazy o2 sensor. Any thoughts any one?
 
  #2  
Old 06-11-2016, 04:53 PM
Captain Hook's Avatar
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Belleville, Michigan
Posts: 8,453
Captain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the rough
Default

Could be a lazy O2, but you would see that in the data stream. On your Solus Pro, graph both upstream O2's and watch how they perform. Sweeps should be nearly identical.


You mentioned that you had a relearn done. That procedure is for the crankshaft position sensor, and the data needs to be correct. Installing a distributor on the other hand, requires camshaft retard to be checked and adjusted if necessary. This is an adjustment, not a relearn. If camshaft retard is out of spec, there will be crossfire going on inside the distributor cap, guaranteed. Depending on how severe the misfire is, it might not set a DTC.


The PCM uses combined data from the crankshaft position sensor AND the camshaft position sensor to detect, and accurately identify, cylinder misfire. If the crankshaft position sensor relearn data, or camshaft retard adjustment are incorrect, cylinder misfire data could be nonexistent or incorrect.
 

Last edited by Captain Hook; 06-11-2016 at 04:56 PM.
  #3  
Old 06-11-2016, 05:30 PM
newguy's Avatar
BF Veteran
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Easthampton, ma.
Posts: 4,205
newguy will become famous soon enoughnewguy will become famous soon enough
Default

Both crankshaft data and cam retard are correct. already got the o2 sensors. will change when rain stops. probably original anyway and may help mileage. I keep going back to why when its fully warm and not when cold
 
  #4  
Old 06-11-2016, 05:50 PM
Captain Hook's Avatar
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Belleville, Michigan
Posts: 8,453
Captain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the rough
Default

Could very well be lazy O2's. The PCM ignores them in open loop operation.
 
  #5  
Old 06-11-2016, 06:00 PM
newguy's Avatar
BF Veteran
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Easthampton, ma.
Posts: 4,205
newguy will become famous soon enoughnewguy will become famous soon enough
Default

Originally Posted by Captain Hook
Could very well be lazy O2's. The PCM ignores them in open loop operation.
We will see, I`ll post results
 
  #6  
Old 06-11-2016, 06:04 PM
Captain Hook's Avatar
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Belleville, Michigan
Posts: 8,453
Captain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the rough
Default

AC Delco or Denso, stay away from Bosch, (response time is too slow).
 
  #7  
Old 06-11-2016, 08:17 PM
newguy's Avatar
BF Veteran
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Easthampton, ma.
Posts: 4,205
newguy will become famous soon enoughnewguy will become famous soon enough
Default

ordered from rockauto, was supposed to get them today, they didt show. sighh https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...=1361461&jsn=1
 
  #8  
Old 06-11-2016, 09:52 PM
Captain Hook's Avatar
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Belleville, Michigan
Posts: 8,453
Captain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the rough
Default

Good job! Those will work just fine.
 
  #9  
Old 06-14-2016, 04:00 PM
newguy's Avatar
BF Veteran
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Easthampton, ma.
Posts: 4,205
newguy will become famous soon enoughnewguy will become famous soon enough
Default

Bingo, cured the issue.
 
  #10  
Old 06-14-2016, 04:02 PM
Captain Hook's Avatar
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Belleville, Michigan
Posts: 8,453
Captain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the roughCaptain Hook is a jewel in the rough
Default

Yee Haa!
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
FX4DOOR
General Chat
1
01-20-2014 11:22 AM
betamatt76
Engine & Transmission
1
07-17-2013 06:39 PM
TDS-MN
2nd Generation S-series (1995-2005) Tech
5
04-23-2012 03:58 PM
sxa3310
2nd Generation S-series (1995-2005) Tech
5
12-29-2011 06:42 PM
2tone2g
2nd Generation S-series (1995-2005) Tech
6
05-31-2011 09:37 PM



Quick Reply: chasing a gremlin



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:26 AM.