Adjusting toe to compensate for bent frame
#1
Right side of the blazer is badly bent do to an accident so the right wheel faces outwards enough to be noticeable, and pulls to the right. i've been dealing with this for over a year since the guy at the frame alignment shop said the frame is so badly bent the machine couldn't correctly fix it. took the front tires off yesterday and noticed the insides of both tires are badly worn. i want to pull the right wheel straight to line up normally. has anyone adjusted the toe on the blazer?
#2
Are the adjustment sleeves all the way in on the right hand side? Seems you should be able to correct the steering geometry to at least get the wheels pointed in the same direction.
#3

You could just rotate your tires often...minimize wear..
#4
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I can tell you, this is no fix for your problems. This should probably be taken care of (if it can be) by adjusting the caster out of spec on the right side (im assuming by right side you mean passenger) to have more positive caster & the left side having less positive caster, possibly even negative if bent THAT bad. Who knows whats going on in there without out actually being able to see it though. But even if you are not able to get it straight with current factory upper control arm bushings, it should be fixable with eccentric upper control arm bushings & they are available for our suv's. If not, sell that thing to a scrap yard.
I suggest you find yourself a different shop. I will suggest finding a NAPA auto care center, they are usually independently owned shops that are held to high service level IMO. They got me set up with a good custom alignment, after having it in like 7 different shops after I made some changes to my blazer. Another plug for the napa care center is they will press control arm bushings for $20 a piece if you bring them in.
I have them set my toe at zero & then I set my own toe because our roads suck here & extra toe in helps. it doesn't take much adjustment of the sleeve to make a difference. I'M SERIOUS NOW !
Use a red or other bright colored grease pencil & make a mark on each side of the sleeve & each tie rod end, so you know exactly where it was. When you turn the sleeve make sure its turned the same amount each mark on the tie rod ends.
From zero toe on a regular blazer adjusting the sleeve in by the width of the line is all that is usable, anything more will cause massive tire wear & strange handling over bumps & dips. Good luck & dont kill yourself or anyone else.
Having said that...
Drivers side: turning the sleeve down turns the toe in, turning it up gives toe out.
Passenger side: turning the sleeve up turns the toe in, turning it down gives toe out.
I suggest you find yourself a different shop. I will suggest finding a NAPA auto care center, they are usually independently owned shops that are held to high service level IMO. They got me set up with a good custom alignment, after having it in like 7 different shops after I made some changes to my blazer. Another plug for the napa care center is they will press control arm bushings for $20 a piece if you bring them in.
I have them set my toe at zero & then I set my own toe because our roads suck here & extra toe in helps. it doesn't take much adjustment of the sleeve to make a difference. I'M SERIOUS NOW !
Use a red or other bright colored grease pencil & make a mark on each side of the sleeve & each tie rod end, so you know exactly where it was. When you turn the sleeve make sure its turned the same amount each mark on the tie rod ends.
From zero toe on a regular blazer adjusting the sleeve in by the width of the line is all that is usable, anything more will cause massive tire wear & strange handling over bumps & dips. Good luck & dont kill yourself or anyone else.
Having said that...
Drivers side: turning the sleeve down turns the toe in, turning it up gives toe out.
Passenger side: turning the sleeve up turns the toe in, turning it down gives toe out.
Last edited by jsmz; 04-14-2010 at 10:29 PM.
#5
Thanks for the replies.
Today I'm gonna go out and rotate the tires, but with the significant amount of inner wear, will it cause problems even on the rear? When I stand them up they lean, they roll straight but if can't stand them upright sideways on my extremely slightly inclined driveway, they fall right over.
My goal is to just get the wheels straight again. Since it's just the passengers side that faces outwards, will it be ok to JUST pull the passenger side back to zero? I'm sure it'll screw up the turning radius but nothing I'd worry about.
I have a previous post from over a year ago just after the accident, I was crazy for putting money into repairs and should definitely scrap it but I want to keep running it until I can save up for something better. Basically what happened was I lost control on a wet road, slammed the passenger side into a curb blowing the tire out, 180'd onto the opposite side of the road and sorta parked the truck on the other curb. Blew out both tires and shattered both rims. After bringing it to a local shop we looked at it and noticed the sway bar cracked off the frame at the weld, then had a guy bring it to an alignment shop that he trusted and the guy said he did his best. Apparently the control arms are fine, but besides the bent frame there's no other noticeable damage. The passenger side hangs half an inch lower, and when I hit bumps the front end drops and hits the tires. I do have to pull slightly to the left at all times to drive straight. I know I'm crazy for still driving this thing, but I figure it's drivable enough to keep as I save money.
I've always considered bringing it back to a good frame alignment shop again because maybe they can bring this thing back to life. Would it be unsafe to adjust just 1 tie rod? Or throw things off so much it would just be madness?
I also want to add I'm running P235/70/R15 with 4.5 backspacing and I get tire rub on the back outside edge.
1st picture shows the tire rub at the back, 2nd shows of course after I crashed.. 3rd shows looking into the passenger side at full lock to the right. The idler arm comes down and makes contact with the frame, if that's normal??
Today I'm gonna go out and rotate the tires, but with the significant amount of inner wear, will it cause problems even on the rear? When I stand them up they lean, they roll straight but if can't stand them upright sideways on my extremely slightly inclined driveway, they fall right over.
My goal is to just get the wheels straight again. Since it's just the passengers side that faces outwards, will it be ok to JUST pull the passenger side back to zero? I'm sure it'll screw up the turning radius but nothing I'd worry about.
I have a previous post from over a year ago just after the accident, I was crazy for putting money into repairs and should definitely scrap it but I want to keep running it until I can save up for something better. Basically what happened was I lost control on a wet road, slammed the passenger side into a curb blowing the tire out, 180'd onto the opposite side of the road and sorta parked the truck on the other curb. Blew out both tires and shattered both rims. After bringing it to a local shop we looked at it and noticed the sway bar cracked off the frame at the weld, then had a guy bring it to an alignment shop that he trusted and the guy said he did his best. Apparently the control arms are fine, but besides the bent frame there's no other noticeable damage. The passenger side hangs half an inch lower, and when I hit bumps the front end drops and hits the tires. I do have to pull slightly to the left at all times to drive straight. I know I'm crazy for still driving this thing, but I figure it's drivable enough to keep as I save money.
I've always considered bringing it back to a good frame alignment shop again because maybe they can bring this thing back to life. Would it be unsafe to adjust just 1 tie rod? Or throw things off so much it would just be madness?
I also want to add I'm running P235/70/R15 with 4.5 backspacing and I get tire rub on the back outside edge.
1st picture shows the tire rub at the back, 2nd shows of course after I crashed.. 3rd shows looking into the passenger side at full lock to the right. The idler arm comes down and makes contact with the frame, if that's normal??
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That thing is trashed, your steering center link is almost touching your lower control arm & that is with your suspension compressed.
hate to say it man, but it looks like your S.O.L. That thing should never see the road again. might as well part it out & get something back out of it.
hate to say it man, but it looks like your S.O.L. That thing should never see the road again. might as well part it out & get something back out of it.
#7
Ugh yeah I know, the worst part is at full lock to the right the ball joint hits it. I should have done cash for clunkers and at least got some money instead of losing it. I knew how bad condition it was in but I was in college and had no way to get back and forth during finals so I said the hell with it and started driving it again. I don't drive it very far distances at all anymore, just back and forth to work which is down the road. Looking for something new though, too bad Chevy doesn't make bad *** SUV's anymore.
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