Rough Idle
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Funny that this thread should resurface recently. I've been working on my most recent acquisition (93 Sonoma VIN W) so it will pass Washington emissions. The problem? High hydrocarbons at idle. It idles rough. The first thing I did was to run some Seafoam through the PCV hose into the intake. That resulted in thirty minutes of blue smoke billowing out of the exhaust. I followed that with new cap/rotor/plugs/wires–all AC-Delco–and an oil and filter change.
The second thing I did was to remove the EGR and check for carbon. From the looks of it the EGR has been replaced relatively recently. It looks very new. There was no carbon holding the pintle open but I cleaned the EGR passages as thoroughly as possible. I used Berryman's B-12 Chemtool and a very narrow bottle brush I found at the grocery store. It's the perfect diameter for the passages.
The idle was still rough. I put my scanner on the truck and found what I think is the most likely cause: lazy oxygen sensor. At idle the truck kept dropping out of closed loop mode. The oxygen sensor wasn't oscillating as it should. Instead it remained in the 700-800 mV range. I'll change the sensor in the morning and see if it has the intended effect.
Thorough diagnosis and testing is always the best path. There are many things which can cause a rough idle. It's important to follow a clear, logical troubleshooting path which will test only one variable at a time.
The second thing I did was to remove the EGR and check for carbon. From the looks of it the EGR has been replaced relatively recently. It looks very new. There was no carbon holding the pintle open but I cleaned the EGR passages as thoroughly as possible. I used Berryman's B-12 Chemtool and a very narrow bottle brush I found at the grocery store. It's the perfect diameter for the passages.
The idle was still rough. I put my scanner on the truck and found what I think is the most likely cause: lazy oxygen sensor. At idle the truck kept dropping out of closed loop mode. The oxygen sensor wasn't oscillating as it should. Instead it remained in the 700-800 mV range. I'll change the sensor in the morning and see if it has the intended effect.
Thorough diagnosis and testing is always the best path. There are many things which can cause a rough idle. It's important to follow a clear, logical troubleshooting path which will test only one variable at a time.
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I put my scanner on the truck and found what I think is the most likely cause: lazy oxygen sensor. At idle the truck kept dropping out of closed loop mode. The oxygen sensor wasn't oscillating as it should. Instead it remained in the 700-800 mV range. I'll change the sensor in the morning and see if it has the intended effect.
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It well could be a thermostat problem. I replaced the O2 sensor in the morning and it idled much better afterward. The new sensor is oscillating properly. I also replaced the temperature sender for the gauge because it was reading low compared to what the coolant temperature sensor was showing. Currently the cooling system is drained. The heater core is leaking and I flushed the system before removing the core. I'll finish replacing the core in the morning and get some decent coolant in it. Then I'll run it up to temperature and see if the thermostat is opening properly.
Since the O2 sensor was a known problem I definitely wanted to replace that before moving on to the next thing.
Since the O2 sensor was a known problem I definitely wanted to replace that before moving on to the next thing.
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Interestingly enough I found another problem today. The injector assembly is leaking. Somehow I never got the memo about leaking spiders.
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They are designed to open at higher, freeway speeds to recirc the ehaust gases for smog control, and after they become plugged from the tiny bits of carbon, the valve sticks and throws a code, results in rough idle. I cleaned mine, reinstalled it and then left it unplugged. It will keep a SES light on the dash, but it will run great. With 300,00 on mine I can live with a light!
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The truck passed emissions today but it still occasionally idles rough, particularly when in gear. I may look into it more in the future but I'm getting ready to take a trip to Idaho with my wife next weekend in her Jimmy so I'm not in a hurry to do anything more with my truck.
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